Talk:Siege of Pensacola
Thanks for getting this one started. What would you think about renaming it the Siege of Pensacola? — admin • talk 19:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
- I don't have a particular opinion. I titled it "Battle of Pensacola" after the Wikipedia version. — dscosson • talk 19:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
You know, I had always heard it was Fort George that had its powder magazine detonated, but it was apparently the Queen's Redoubt to the northwest. — admin • talk 07:48, 18 March 2009 (CDT)
- What yo ev'dence on that? I had got a source be sayin' othawise. — dscosson • talk 14:49, 22 March 2009 (CDT)
- Marley's Wars of America is where I got it. There were actually two redoubts on slightly higher ground to the northwest, the Queen's Redoubt and the Prince of Wales Redoubt, but I think maybe sometimes the whole string of fortifications was referred to collectively as "Fort George." If Marley's recount is accurate, that may explain the confusion. What's your source? — admin • talk 15:09, 22 March 2009 (CDT)
- Quesada's History of Florida Forts repeats the Queen's Redoubt version as well. — admin • talk 15:15, 22 March 2009 (CDT)
- Campbell, Richard L. "Historical Sketches of Colonial Florida". The Williams Publishing Co., Cleveland: 1892. You could be right, it could be referring to all defences as Fort George collectively. I'm also wary because of other errors and suspicious parts of the text (for instance, at one point it said there was an British redoubt named Waldeck). Here's what the source says on the explosion (p. 134 of the pdf):
- A provincial colonel for infamous conduct—of what character we are uninformed—was drummed out of the Fort, instead of being, as prudence required, carefully kept within it during the siege. The man, as should have been expected, went to the Spaniards and informed them of the condition of the garrison and defenses, and especially of the angle in which the magazine was situated. That disclosure sealed the fate of Fort George. Thenceforward, that angle became the mark of every Spanish shot and shell. For three days and nights did those searching missiles beat upon it, until at last on the morning of May 8, there occurred an explosion that shook Gage Hill to its deep foundations as though once again in the throes of an earthquake. A yawning breach was made in the Fort. Fifty men were killed outright and as many more wounded fatally and otherwise.
- Just wanted to make a note of it. This is a good source but looks to have some errors in it. — dscosson • talk 15:38, 22 March 2009 (CDT)
- Given the conflicting sources on the location of the magazine (I keep seeing sources which cite it as being in the Fort proper, but again they could be collectively referring to the British fortifications as Fort George) do you have any objection to changing the wording of the painting's caption from "...pour into the ruins of the Queen's Redoubt" to "...pour into the breach in British defenses" or something similar? — dscosson • talk 16:39, 27 March 2009 (CDT)
- Campbell, Richard L. "Historical Sketches of Colonial Florida". The Williams Publishing Co., Cleveland: 1892. You could be right, it could be referring to all defences as Fort George collectively. I'm also wary because of other errors and suspicious parts of the text (for instance, at one point it said there was an British redoubt named Waldeck). Here's what the source says on the explosion (p. 134 of the pdf):
Hi, have just read your blog, the magazine that was hit was definitely in the Queens Redoubt. The reason I know this is that I am a Lieutenant in the Royal Artillery and my unit was in the redoubt at the time. It is also mentioned in the Regimental history of the 16th Regiment of Foot and the Kings Royal Rifle Corps (60th of Foot) History. I have been at the Royal Artillery Archives in Woowich, London and the National Archives in Kew, London researching our unit history where again it is mentioned in various documents. Chris
