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::Mr. Appleyard shared with me some of his materials on railroads and streetcars. Among them was this map. --[[User:Admin|Admin]] 08:46, 16 June 2008 (CDT) | ::Mr. Appleyard shared with me some of his materials on railroads and streetcars. Among them was this map. --[[User:Admin|Admin]] 08:46, 16 June 2008 (CDT) | ||
[[Image:StreetcarMap1910.gif|center|450px|Pensacola streetcar system map, circa 1910]] | [[Image:StreetcarMap1910.gif|center|450px|Pensacola streetcar system map, circa 1910]] | ||
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| + | Joe... you are the hero of my dreams of all of my life!!!!! THIS IS BEAUTIFUL AND HOLY!!!!!!!!!!! '''[[User:Dscosson|dscosson]]''' ··· '''[[User talk:Dcosson|talk]]''' 09:31, 16 June 2008 (CDT) | ||
| + | :Haha.... thanks? It's funny, I grew up on Strong Street near the Bayou and had no idea there used to be streetcar tracks there. (And a bridge, too!) --[[User:Admin|Admin]] 09:46, 16 June 2008 (CDT) | ||
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| + | Wow! All my info was basically amateur tracking done in my free time...this map sheds a LOT of light and answers so many questions. Shame the system wasn't in some way preserved, I'm a big believer in mass transit and New Urbanism- perhaps if it had remained viable then its continued growth might've spurred more organized development rather than the unfortunate sprawl seen today. | ||
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| + | ==Errors?== | ||
| + | I'm noticing some discrepancies between the names and dates listed here and those mentioned in the official history of the [[Gulf Power Company]]. I'm inclined to trust the Gulf Power history, as the dates are more detailed, and the manuscript I got from Mr. Appleyard was just an early draft. <span style="font-family:Georgia, serif; color:#cccccc;">— '''''[[User:Admin|admin]]''''' • '''''[[User_talk:Admin|talk]]''''' </span> 18:28, 10 August 2008 (CDT) | ||
| + | :I'm down with that. '''[[User:Dscosson|dscosson]]''' ··· '''[[User talk:Dcosson|talk]]''' 10:54, 11 August 2008 (CDT) | ||
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| + | == Various stats == | ||
| + | ===1907=== | ||
| + | Miles of track: 20.10 | ||
| + | Cars: 15 | ||
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| + | ===1915=== | ||
| + | Miles of track: 21.12 | ||
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| + | ==Origins of Pensacola Streetcar Company== | ||
| + | Joe -- want to address a few things from the "Origins" paragraph: | ||
| + | # Do you remember your source for a [[John Cosgrove]] being a partner in the [[Pensacola Street Car Company]]? He is not listed in the act of incorporation. | ||
| + | # [[Kupfrian's Park]] predates the Pensacola Streetcar Company, and is specifically referenced in the act of incorporation, so it doesn't look like the park was created after the fact. | ||
| + | # Also, I wouldn't say [[Kupfrian's Park]] was in [[North Hill]]. You could mayyybe make the argument that it was on the edge of [[North Hill Highlands]]. | ||
| + | Your thoughts? <span style="font-variant:small-caps; vertical-align:5%; font-family: Georgia,serif; color:#cccccc;">— '''[[User:Dscosson|dscosson]]''' • '''[[User talk:Dcosson|talk]]''' </span> 18:14, 8 June 2009 (CDT) | ||
| + | :I think everything I wrote came from that unpublished manuscript Mr. Appleyard had, the accuracy of which I can't vouch for, so go ahead and change anything that conflicts with primary sources. The North Hill thing was probably my mistake (I sometimes clump everything "up there" together) so whatever you think is fine. Thanks! <span style="font-family:Georgia, serif; color:#cccccc;">— '''''[[User:Admin|admin]]''''' • '''''[[User_talk:Admin|talk]]''''' </span> 19:25, 8 June 2009 (CDT) | ||
Latest revision as of 00:25, 9 June 2009
Source - [1]
It's been awhile [4 years] since I researched and surveyed the old trolley lines, therefore I was unable to document a source. Zooming in on DeSoto and Gadsden on a Google Maps satellite image yields the visible ROW. -AirForceWeather
- That's awesome. Any help you could provide me in putting together a route map/overview would be amazing. dscosson ··· talk 09:28, 8 May 2008 (CDT)
- Mr. Appleyard shared with me some of his materials on railroads and streetcars. Among them was this map. --Admin 08:46, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
Joe... you are the hero of my dreams of all of my life!!!!! THIS IS BEAUTIFUL AND HOLY!!!!!!!!!!! dscosson ··· talk 09:31, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
- Haha.... thanks? It's funny, I grew up on Strong Street near the Bayou and had no idea there used to be streetcar tracks there. (And a bridge, too!) --Admin 09:46, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
Wow! All my info was basically amateur tracking done in my free time...this map sheds a LOT of light and answers so many questions. Shame the system wasn't in some way preserved, I'm a big believer in mass transit and New Urbanism- perhaps if it had remained viable then its continued growth might've spurred more organized development rather than the unfortunate sprawl seen today.
Errors?[edit]
I'm noticing some discrepancies between the names and dates listed here and those mentioned in the official history of the Gulf Power Company. I'm inclined to trust the Gulf Power history, as the dates are more detailed, and the manuscript I got from Mr. Appleyard was just an early draft. — admin • talk 18:28, 10 August 2008 (CDT)
Various stats[edit]
1907[edit]
Miles of track: 20.10 Cars: 15
1915[edit]
Miles of track: 21.12
Origins of Pensacola Streetcar Company[edit]
Joe -- want to address a few things from the "Origins" paragraph:
- Do you remember your source for a John Cosgrove being a partner in the Pensacola Street Car Company? He is not listed in the act of incorporation.
- Kupfrian's Park predates the Pensacola Streetcar Company, and is specifically referenced in the act of incorporation, so it doesn't look like the park was created after the fact.
- Also, I wouldn't say Kupfrian's Park was in North Hill. You could mayyybe make the argument that it was on the edge of North Hill Highlands.
Your thoughts? — dscosson • talk 18:14, 8 June 2009 (CDT)
- I think everything I wrote came from that unpublished manuscript Mr. Appleyard had, the accuracy of which I can't vouch for, so go ahead and change anything that conflicts with primary sources. The North Hill thing was probably my mistake (I sometimes clump everything "up there" together) so whatever you think is fine. Thanks! — admin • talk 19:25, 8 June 2009 (CDT)
